What to do with DeAngelo Hall?

[ronmexico]

it is apparent that the Falcons might suspend Hall for a game for his actions in Sundays loss. that kind of behavior is just want the Falcons don't need right now. with all the Vick issues this off season and now Hall arguing with refs and his head coach, costing his team 65 yds in penalty yardage. changing the momentum of the game (they had it won). this team CAN'T afford any more negative publicity. any ideas what it might take to get him here? my take is an offer of Roy and "our" 1st round pick might get this done. Roy did actually play well for Zimmer. they have a need to upgrade at the safety position. Milloy is in his 12th year and have a young unproven player in Jimmy Williams. i know a 1st rounder is a steep price, but a shut down corner is so hard to find. i wouldn't start with the 1st rounder, but its probably what it would take to get it even considered. its also a chance to get out from under Roy's contract. maybe both players need a change. doubt this will ever come up, but it can work for both teams.

[maxdallasfan]

Did you swallow some of that hashish that you had hidden in your bottle?

[Cowboyzadam]

There is no way in hell I would give up one of our 1st for Hall. He's an arrogant ass anyways as far as I'm concerned. Like I said in another thread about Roy, Roy is not going anywhere guys. It is just dumb to even keep talking about it. Jerry has made it perfectly clear Roy is here to stay. We just need to deal with it.

1st round picks are hard to come by and are VERY valuable. No way I give one up for Hall. Besides if you brought that bozo over here you would have to put up a concrete wall and keep T.O. and Hall on the opposite sides so they would not kill each other.

[ronmexico]

and some people said Randy Moss wouldn't work in NE. Deion would never play for us after playing for the 49ers. you guys are forgetting how valuable a shut down corner is. Denver gave up Portis to get Bailey. didn't Deion go blow to blow with several receivers. talking about an "arrogant ass", Sanders makes Hall look like a school boy. some how he and Irvin got along just fine. he is arguably the 2nd best CB in the league. you think giving up a 27th or worse pick is a bad thing for the caliber player Hall is. you all know Roy is a LIABILITY. Atlanta is one place where he might be considered an asset. to me, there is not a lot lost when you consider the type of player Hall is. by the way, Steve Smith last week. 1 rec 10 yds.

[ronmexico]

Did you swallow some of that hashish that you had hidden in your bottle?[/b]

i don't get it. what is your point?

[ronmexico]

Like I said in another thread about Roy, Roy is not going anywhere guys. It is just dumb to even keep talking about it. Jerry has made it perfectly clear Roy is here to stay. We just need to deal with it.[/b]


you don't think Jerry would like a do over on Roy's contract? what does Jerry do when Wade comes to him and says, man i can't hide this guy anymore? he can't cover, he's a poor tackler. he will be the reason Wade's defense won't reach the ultimate level. in order to get something you have to give something. giving up a average SS and late, late 1st round pick is a steep price, but Hall is worth it. he's 23 and an elite CB.

[thevalleyranchreport]

I'll wait for Jammer to be out there in free agency. Hall is overrated out the ass too.

[ronmexico]

I'll wait for Jammer to be out there in free agency. Hall is overrated out the ass too.[/b]
can you afford the contract Jammer will demand with Roy's and Henry's salary and Newmans new deal? that seems like WAY too much money to invest in 3 secondary players. you know Ware will break the bank in 2 years. my opinion is Hall is quite a bit better than Jammer.

[thevalleyranchreport]

We'll get Jammer at an affordable price. He liked the staff in San Diego, he love Phillips, and loves Brian Stewart. PLayers love to play for Wade Phillips. He'll be on a Super Bowl potential team with the Cowboys. Once the Chargers go 8-8, and Norv is canned, Jammer will be glad to be long gone from that disaster.

but if Henry continues to play like a pro bowler once Newman returns, the need for a starting CB may not be as high a priority.

What we're seeing right now is teams throwing to Reeves all day, and not throwing to Henry as much. The test of Henry WILL be when Newman comes back fulltime. Teams will be throwing at Henry all the time, and they will leave Newman alone most of the time. So, will Henry revert back to his horrific coverages, or will he remain atop his game?

We'll see.

[Cowboyzadam]

Sorry Ron...you've been out voted. No Hall for us. LOL

BTW no I don't think Jerry is willing to give Roy up. He made it perfectly clear going into this season that Roy is staying in Dallas. Wish all you want but it just ain't going to happen.

Besides. Hall got himself in trouble last night with the Coaches. Big deal. It happens all the time. What makes you think the Falcons are looking to get rid of the "Second Best CB" as you call him anyways? There has been no hint of this and I see no point in getting into a serious debate over something that is fictional anyways.

[Tulip_Sniper]

We'll get Jammer at an affordable price. He liked the staff in San Diego, he love Phillips, and loves Brian Stewart. PLayers love to play for Wade Phillips. He'll be on a Super Bowl potential team with the Cowboys. Once the Chargers go 8-8, and Norv is canned, Jammer will be glad to be long gone from that disaster.[/b]
Joe you put it perfectly also don't think the falcons are gonna let Hall go over some words with the coach. I'm crossing my fingers for Jammer with him here we would really have a solid looking secondary.

[Cowboyzadam]

At least Joe's mention of getting Jammer makes some sense. It is a scenario that could actually happen. Especially with his ties to Wade and the Chargers self destruction before our very eyes. Also earlier in the season Brian Stewart said in a brief interview that he wouls love to have Jammer playing for him but left it at that.

[ronmexico]

my point is they (Falcons) don't need this type of thing going on after the Vick deal. this might be a time to get a great player in a weak moment for a franchise. Atlanta needs to do everything to show their fans they have players who have NO character issues. not that Hall does, but this is the last thing they need going on. Jerry's has stated how big a fan he is of Hall. there is no way Jerry can be happy with Roy's play this year. no matter how much Jerry likes Roy, he is about winning. i think he would do the deal without blinking. if thats the case he would have never let Emmitt go.

i'm not saying this will happen, but these are the kinds of situations you need to look at to make your team better. plus its a chance to get rid of an albatross of a contract Roy has. this is the same type of move we made to get Haley. a great player whom an organization soured on. in this case, making a statement to the Falcon fans that we care about our image.

[Tulip_Sniper]

I think thats the biggest thing Dallas has working in its favor to potentially getting Jammer. He has ties with Wade and Stewart he knows what to expect with those two and what they expect of players. Its a good position for us to be in. You might have to add a Jammer jersey to your list adam ;)

[ronmexico]

this is Jammers last BIG contract. i wouldn't count on a hometown discount. i'm just suggesting that this would give us 2 of the top 4 CB's in the league and get rid of an average way over paid SS. with 2 shut down CB the need to pay any safety top dollar is greatly reduced. it would also let Wade really turn up the heat on the pass rush. i think you will be correct about Henry. we know what he is. most will agree that he is playing way over his head and will come down to earth when Newman gets back. then you already have you safety position filled with Henry and re-sign Hamlin to about half of what Roy is making. best secondary in the league by far and under contract for a long time. just focus on offensive players. man this GM stuff is easy. :lol:

[Cowboyzadam]

Ron I follow where you are going with this. I just don't see it happening. If everything you just said were to really transpire then I would say...Yes you would have to at least take a look at the idea. Sure Jerry would look at it. Who wouldn't? I am just saying that right now that is not a reality so it's a moot point.

Do you really think the Falcon fans Organization would let Hall get away right now after they just lost their Franchise QB?
Man that would really suck for the fans. Right now they need to keep whatever good players they have left on that team.

[Tulip_Sniper]

not only that adam but what would that do to our cap space? You just don't trade a guy away and not take some sort of cap hit.

[ronmexico]

with what they just went through with Vick, it doesn't hurt to ask. they need to show a squeaky clean image. i'm just trying to capitalize on another teams tussles with morality. you could sell them on the "pro bowler" Roy (who is also a standout in the community)and a 1st rounder. just trying on my GM hat again.

sad to say i don't think it would be enough to get Hall anyways, but you can try. i wouldn't say its not a reality. they have a losing team not going anywhere. they lost the franchise QB, traded away another franchise QB. they might get the top pick in the draft. they are that bad. what kind of ammunition would 2 1st rounders give them to start rebuilding on? plus, throw Roy into the mix. they won't be any good for the near future. they will need to go on a total rebuild. the only stars they have are Hall, Crumpler and an emerging Blalock. this team has NO talent. while you are right that this will never happen, i can make a bigger case for it needing to happen than not.

[NewmanOwns]

Im just wondering how you think Hall is even good. He is one of the most overrated players in the NFL. You're eatin the fodder that ESPN and the media passes out. This guy had 1 good season and has been crap for the past couple of years.

Give me Jammer or draft a guy.

[ronmexico]

Im just wondering how you think Hall is even good. He is one of the most overrated players in the NFL. You're eatin the fodder that ESPN and the media passes out. This guy had 1 good season and has been crap for the past couple of years.

Give me Jammer or draft a guy.[/b]
i think he is a top 5 guy. Bailey 1, Newman-Samuel 2, Clements-Hall 3, McCalister 4. followed by Harris and Law in some order. Jammer has been an under achiever until last year. we were close to labeling him a bust here in Texas. Longhorn fan and all. the point is to get rid of Roy. who's better at their position Hall or Roy. i don't think you can even get Roy in the top 10 safeties. you can call him overrated, but he is a shut down CB. and 2 on one team can be a monster. not sure which ONE good year you are talking about.

YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2004 ATL 10 36 30 6 6 0.5 1 0 2 50 1
2005 ATL 15 66 59 7 10 0.0 1 86 6 177 0
2006 ATL 16 58 51 7 16 0.0 0 25 4 131 1
2007 ATL 3 7 7 0 2 0.0 0 0 1 19 0
Career 44 167 147 20 34 0.5 2 0 13 377 2

[NewmanOwns]

yea, lets throw out numbers, that'll show us whos best. Oh wait, Newmans numbers suck, but too bad he is one of the best.

We ate Hall alive when we played him. I've seen him be beat enough in various games as well. Dude is overrated like crazy. Shutdown corner, he is not.

[DonCanabis]

I don't thing Jammer will come cheap also and add 2 first round picks 1 probably high where is the room in the cap for all that specially if we don't keep hamlin we will need a FS and if we keep him he'll ask for a big contract how much money can you put to the secondary.... we need to sign romo and MB3 this season because we have a lot of cap space so it would be smart to charge some to this year.

[ronmexico]

yea, lets throw out numbers, that'll show us whos best. Oh wait, Newmans numbers suck, but too bad he is one of the best.

We ate Hall alive when we played him. I've seen him be beat enough in various games as well. Dude is overrated like crazy. Shutdown corner, he is not.[/b]
i was just looking for that ONE good year. thats the reason for the stats. i guess Deion's opinion is wrong also. citing Hall as the 2nd best corner in the league last year. so Newmans numbers suck, but he's good. Halls numbers don't really suck, but he's overrated. you really got me confused. i think Newman is great, better than Hall. i just don't HATE the guy because he plays for another team. what did Smith do yesterday? 1/10. guess he got hurt. nope not on injury report. guess you seen the same game yesterday too where Hall shadowed Smith every play. by the way EVERYONE gets beat. i bet Newman is still on Moss's Christmas card list. what the point? just don't see how you can call him overrated and not a shut down corner. whats wrong with saying the guy is good, maybe too cocky for me, but good none the less. are you in the same boat that Deion sucked as a Falcon and 49er, but best ever as a Cowboy? don't hate just to hate. :lol:

[NewmanOwns]

i was just looking for that ONE good year. thats the reason for the stats. i guess Deion's opinion is wrong also. citing Hall as the 2nd best corner in the league last year. so Newmans numbers suck, but he's good. Halls numbers don't really suck, but he's overrated. you really got me confused. i think Newman is great, better than Hall. i just don't HATE the guy because he plays for another team. what did Smith do yesterday? 1/10. guess he got hurt. nope not on injury report. guess you seen the same game yesterday too where Hall shadowed Smith every play. by the way EVERYONE gets beat. i bet Newman is still on Moss's Christmas card list. what the point? just don't see how you can call him overrated and not a shut down corner. whats wrong with saying the guy is good, maybe too cocky for me, but good none the less. are you in the same boat that Deion sucked as a Falcon and 49er, but best ever as a Cowboy? don't hate just to hate. :lol:[/b]

i just don't think he's that good. i don't hate him because i dislike him or because he isnt a Cowboy, its just i've seen him owned too many times to be called a shutdown corner.

and you totally missed the point on my Newman comparison. Newman is far superior to Hall, yet the stats dont say that. You cant rely on numbers, thats why i dont like when people bring numbers into the picture.

[ronmexico]

while i started this thread just to get some opinions on a Hall trade, i thought i'd share a response to an e-mail i received from Rick Gosselin regarding that topic.

The Broncos gave up a young, 1,500-yard rusher for an elite cornerback.
There's a premium on that position. Demarcus Ware might get it done. Would you do that?



-----Original Message-----
From:
To: rgosselin@dallasnews.com
Sent: 9/24/2007 7:59 PM
Subject: DeAngelo Hall

With all the negative publicity he's getting this week along with the Vick issues, what do you think it would take to get him away from the Falcons? Would a Roy Williams and Dallas 1st rounder get it done? It seems Roy might have more "value" going to Zimmer with whom he had some success, or his his value just too low. Thanks for your time.

[sweatthepipe]

Ware for Hall? That would be stupidest move of all time. Dumbest idea ever mentioned.

Don't want Hall for anything. Punk all the way. And I repeat PUNK.

Roy is definitely here to stay. He gets ragged on too much. He is doing fine. Nothing that he can't correct.

I wouldn't trade Roy for Hall straight up. Or our 1st rounder for him straight up. Our secondary is fine for now. We get Newman back healthy, and our 2 1st rounders next year, and our young guys we already have, we'll be fine.

Portis has never been much for the peckerskins. Injured often. Good back though. But replaceable. I'd say Denver made out big time in that trade. Who doesn't rush for 1500 yards for Denver?

[ronmexico]

Ware for Hall? That would be stupidest move of all time. Dumbest idea ever mentioned.

Don't want Hall for anything. Punk all the way. And I repeat PUNK.

Roy is definitely here to stay. He gets ragged on too much. He is doing fine. Nothing that he can't correct.

I wouldn't trade Roy for Hall straight up. Or our 1st rounder for him straight up. Our secondary is fine for now. We get Newman back healthy, and our 2 1st rounders next year, and our young guys we already have, we'll be fine.

Portis has never been much for the peckerskins. Injured often. Good back though. But replaceable. I'd say Denver made out big time in that trade. Who doesn't rush for 1500 yards for Denver?[/b]

his whole point is thats how valuable a shut down corner is. thats what it might take if we were ask about Hall.

[TonyDorsett]

his whole point is thats how valuable a shut down corner is. thats what it might take if we were ask about Hall.[/b]
Hall is overrated. He isnt a shutdown corner. TO used him for 2 TDs and then spit on him last year. And as someone said earlier, he is a punk.