Whos the best QB in college football?

[Enlightened27]

Ok, a few days ago some of us were comparing college QBs. Well here are a couple vids that back up my points about Matthew Stafford.

Highlights vs LSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAHFBDzYBmI)

Highlights vs ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-p8zw08G5Y)

Highlights vs UT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2fUDdvvtXM)

Highlights vs Vandy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74s1Wo002tc)

Say what you want, this guy is elusive and has a cannon for an arm.

[DCfan60]

Ok I cant believe you dont have Sam Bradford from OK. on the list

[Enlightened27]

Its not a list, in another thread I made the comment that Stafford was better than McCoy and Bradford. So I made this thread to debate who everyone thinks is best. My first post was making a case for Stafford.

[DCfan60]

Bradford is the best.. not open for debate. case closed :P

[Enlightened27]

When he can flick his wrist and the ball go 50 yards, then Ill listen to your debate, :D

[CowboyzAdam]

My vote goes to Matthew Stafford...but then again I'm pretty Biased when it comes to my college teams. Bulldogs and Hurricanes Baby!

[Enlightened27]

I was expecting your vote Adam, :D

[bluestar]

I was not expecting Adam or Eric to say anybody besides Stafford.

Stafford strongest arm not very good throwing on the run. I like mobility at QB especially at the pro level.

Pat White is the best runner.

Leadership is big part of being QB and Tebow slightly edges out Mccoy in this department.

Handles pressure better than anyone I have to go with Mccoy.

Tebow is is not a good passer and will not be a QB at the next level.

I like Bradford nice deep ball, decent arm, accurate, not a lot of mistakes but not sure if I would want him when the game is on the line. Has he even been in that tight of a position?

[Enlightened27]

I was not expecting Adam or Eric to say anybody besides Stafford.

Stafford strongest arm not very good throwing on the run. I like mobility at QB especially at the pro level.

Pat White is the best runner.

Leadership is big part of being QB and Tebow slightly edges out Mccoy in this department.

Handles pressure better than anyone I have to go with Mccoy.

Tebow is is not a good passer and will not be a QB at the next level.

I like Bradford nice deep ball, decent arm, accurate, not a lot of mistakes but not sure if I would want him when the game is on the line. Has he even been in that tight of a position?[/b]
This coming from a person that probably only watched him when UF played UGA. Have you ever seen him move in the pocket?

Well when SCOUTS have been saying Stafford for years, and the FACT that Stafford will be a Lion is good enough for me.

[bluestar]

This coming from a person that probably only watched him when UF played UGA. Have you ever seen him move in the pocket?[/b]


I have seen Stafford play a number of times. I am not calling him a rock in the pocket but at the next level he would need to get better especially since he will be a Lion. When he goes to the pros he is going to have DE flying at him with the speed of the Gators. That FL game I barley watched because it was over very quickly with his horrid decisions. A friend and I watch him make the same poor decisions when they show Bulldog games here. Why do people compare this guy to Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was very impressive to me in college. I understood his hype but not so much of Stafford's. Ryan did not have a lot of impressive wideouts or a great runningback and Stafford has both.

[Enlightened27]

I have seen Stafford play a number of times. I am not calling him a rock in the pocket but at the next level he would need to get better especially since he will be a Lion. When he goes to the pros he is going to have DE flying at him with the speed of the Gators. That FL game I barley watched because it was over very quickly with his horrid decisions. A friend and I watch him make the same poor decisions when they show Bulldog games here. Why do people compare this guy to Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was very impressive to me in college. I understood his hype but not so much of Stafford's. Ryan did not have a lot of impressive wideouts or a great runningback and Stafford has both.[/b]
What you are forgetting is he NEVER played behind a solid line. Just like those that attack Romo for this year, the last 3 years Stafford has had no line WHATSOEVER. Our Oline was decimated by injuries this year, funny how you negate to mention that. How convenient for you.

Also, Stafford didnt have great recievers until this year. What does it say when a freshmen comes in and is the best receiver on the team? Add to that the fact that he was the best receiver in the SEC. Massaquoi didnt live up to his potential until this year either. So, I dont know where you get the great wideouts. I will give you the great RB though, Knowshon was one of the best RBs in the league this year. Obviously you dont know half what you think you know about UGA.

[CowboyzAdam]

I have seen Stafford play a number of times. I am not calling him a rock in the pocket but at the next level he would need to get better especially since he will be a Lion. When he goes to the pros he is going to have DE flying at him with the speed of the Gators. That FL game I barley watched because it was over very quickly with his horrid decisions. A friend and I watch him make the same poor decisions when they show Bulldog games here. Why do people compare this guy to Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was very impressive to me in college. I understood his hype but not so much of Stafford's. Ryan did not have a lot of impressive wideouts or a great runningback and Stafford has both.[/b]


BlueStar I know you are a Gator fan but Stafford is a lot better than the credit you are giving him. You would have to be able to see more Bulldog games to be able to give a fair evaluation of him. He saw him play a very bad game against the Gators and He has been a lot better than that let me tell you.

Also I do not think there is going to be many QB's that are going to be able to come over to the NFL and play for the Lions and be very good or successful. That is like being thrown in the dog house playing for that team.

[Enlightened27]

BlueStar I know you are a Gator fan but Stafford is a lot better than the credit you are giving him. You would have to be able to see more Bulldog games to be able to give a fair evaluation of him. He saw him play a very bad game against the Gators and He has been a lot better than that let me tell you.

Also I do not think there is going to be many QB's that are going to be able to come over to the NFL and play for the Lions and be very good or successful. That is like being thrown in the dog house playing for that team.[/b]
Stafford should have stayed in school, going #1 isnt a big deal when the team holding it is the Lions. I hope they trade out, but at least I know who is going to be Romo's back up when I get Madden '10. :D

[bluestar]

What you are forgetting is he NEVER played behind a solid line. Just like those that attack Romo for this year, the last 3 years Stafford has had no line WHATSOEVER. Our Oline was decimated by injuries this year, funny how you negate to mention that. How convenient for you.

Also, Stafford didnt have great recievers until this year. What does it say when a freshmen comes in and is the best receiver on the team? Add to that the fact that he was the best receiver in the SEC. Massaquoi didnt live up to his potential until this year either. So, I dont know where you get the great wideouts. I will give you the great RB though, Knowshon was one of the best RBs in the league this year. Obviously you dont know half what you think you know about UGA.[/b]

I said impressive wideouts not great. Impressive would be someone like Iglesias, great would be Crabtree & Harvin.

Phillip Rivers online was not great but he got the job done better than Romo when the game was on the line. When your o-line is not good for three years sounds like recruitment issues u should email Richt about. This year was jinjuries what was the last two years?

You get so defensive sometimes (ie how convenient for you, this is coming from someone who probably watched just the FL game, etc it makes u sound like a butthole), but oh well you don't like my opinion, makes me no difference.

Stafford did not show he was the best in COLLEGE football QB but he might be a better pro prospect. Tip for you, try watching other college football games beside UGA.

[bluestar]

BlueStar I know you are a Gator fan but Stafford is a lot better than the credit you are giving him. You would have to be able to see more Bulldog games to be able to give a fair evaluation of him. He saw him play a very bad game against the Gators and He has been a lot better than that let me tell you.

Also I do not think there is going to be many QB's that are going to be able to come over to the NFL and play for the Lions and be very good or successful. That is like being thrown in the dog house playing for that team.[/b]


He is all set on playing for the Lions lol and that is why I suggest working on his mobility because he is going from one bad line to another. Liking the Gators has nothing to do with this topic, otherwise I would say Tebow is the best QB in College football and that would just be bananas. Honestly watching the bulldogs games I was not impressed with him. No WOW factor for me when I watched him, I just did not see the hype, so maybe he will WOW prove me wrong. The way people talk about his rocket arm is like Russell all over again.

Well my concern with Bradford was proven slightly tonight. When the game is on the line he is not the guy you want on your final drive.

[Enlightened27]

He is all set on playing for the Lions lol and that is why I suggest working on his mobility because he is going from one bad line to another. Liking the Gators has nothing to do with this topic, otherwise I would say Tebow is the best QB in College football and that would just be bananas. Honestly watching the bulldogs games I was not impressed with him. No WOW factor for me when I watched him, I just did not see the hype, so maybe he will WOW prove me wrong. The way people talk about his rocket arm is like Russell all over again.

Well my concern with Bradford was proven slightly tonight. When the game is on the line he is not the guy you want on your final drive.[/b]
Stafford has proven that he can be that guy, he has been a couple of times for us just this year.

The problem with the line is that they were pretty much all freshmen last year and then this year they were freshmen/sophomores. '09 is going to be a good year for them, to bad theyll be breaking in Aaron Murray. :(

Sorry, I cant see myself watching a UF game that UGA isnt in. I didnt even watch the game tonight, even though I was going for the SEC (notice I didnt say the G.....a....tors.....ack!). With their win over Oklahoma the SEC has proven once again to be the best conference in the NCAA. The Big 12 had a good case this year, but with Ole Miss knocking off Texas Tech and Florida beating OU, there is no argument anymore. Still, I cant watch any team that wears "THAT GOD AWFUL ORANGE" as Larry Munson would say. (Tennessee, Auburn, Florida, or Clemson)

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

TEBOW is undoubtedly the best QB in college football, Maybe the best player in college football history. I am a UGA fan, but you gotta give the man his props. 2 National Titles, 1 Heisman. Probably going to come back next year and win another one. I like Stafford and he will make a good NFL QB, but Tebow is better in College. Stafford always chokes away one or two games a year. Thus Georgia has not won a national title since 1980.

[Enlightened27]

TEBOW is undoubtedly the best QB in college football, Maybe the best player in college football history. I am a UGA fan, but you gotta give the man his props. 2 National Titles, 1 Heisman. Probably going to come back next year and win another one. I like Stafford and he will make a good NFL QB, but Tebow is better in College. Stafford always chokes away one or two games a year. Thus Georgia has not won a national title since 1980.[/b]
Tebow is the product of the Spread. Plain and simple, thats why I will NEVER give him any credit. The only thing good I can say about the kid is that hes a Christian. I like the guy as a person, but as an athlete...........his hype reminds me of Vick, all hype.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

Yeah but you have to remember, Vick dominated College ball too. Not as much as Tebow, but he still did for the most part. Now i dont think Tebow will be a good NFL QB at all, but in College, he is what he is, and thats great. Until last night he has never had a 2 int game in his entire career. Last night in the game he did and he bounced back and drove his team down the field a couple of times in the 4th Quarter to win the game. Plus he plays in the SEC which has tougher Defenses than any other conference in NCAA. So although Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford have great stats, almost all teams in the Big 10 dont have great defenses.

[NewmanOwns]

Tebow is a winner. I wish we had guys like that on the Cowboys.

[Enlightened27]

Yeah but you have to remember, Vick dominated College ball too. Not as much as Tebow, but he still did for the most part. Now i dont think Tebow will be a good NFL QB at all, but in College, he is what he is, and thats great. Until last night he has never had a 2 int game in his entire career. Last night in the game he did and he bounced back and drove his team down the field a couple of times in the 4th Quarter to win the game. Plus he plays in the SEC which has tougher Defenses than any other conference in NCAA. So although Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford have great stats, almost all teams in the Big 10 dont have great defenses.[/b]
They are in the Big 12, and if you are going to mention the INTs, I dont care what defenses he faced, in over 600 throws Harrell was only intercepted 9 times. I dont care who you are thats good decision making. Tebow is only good because of 1) the system and 2) hes hard to bring down. Give me a smart 250 lb QB and Ill show you the same stats as Tebow. Hes nothing special.

[bluestar]

Tebow is a winner. I wish we had guys like that on the Cowboys.[/b]

Maybe he can be our motivational speaker or coach lol. I like his attitude as well.

[Enlightened27]

Maybe he can be our motivational speaker or coach lol. I like his attitude as well.[/b]
I do believe hell make a great coach, as far as QB................its well documented how I feel about that.

[DCfan60]

Tebow finds a way or a will to win.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

They are in the Big 12, and if you are going to mention the INTs, I dont care what defenses he faced, in over 600 throws Harrell was only intercepted 9 times. I dont care who you are thats good decision making. Tebow is only good because of 1) the system and 2) hes hard to bring down. Give me a smart 250 lb QB and Ill show you the same stats as Tebow. Hes nothing special.[/b]


How many national titles does your boy harrell have? Cause Tebow has 2. Not to mention, Tebow was 4th in the NCAA in passing rating. With almost 3000 yards, a 64.4 completion percentage. 30 TD's and 4 INT's. Yeah thats a horrible QB. I dont know what Flordia was thinking. Not to mention 673 yards rushing and another 12 TD's. If he stays at Flordia, they will win another title, mark my words.

[Enlightened27]

How many national titles does your boy harrell have? Cause Tebow has 2. Not to mention, Tebow was 4th in the NCAA in passing rating. With almost 3000 yards, a 64.4 completion percentage. 30 TD's and 4 INT's. Yeah thats a horrible QB. I dont know what Flordia was thinking. Not to mention 673 yards rushing and another 12 TD's. If he stays at Flordia, they will win another title, mark my words.[/b]
Sorry, the rushing yards arent impressive to me, you have to take into consideration that a) most of his rushing TDs are because hes the size of a FB and he goes in at the GL and B ) they play the spread which gives him even more room to run. Sorry, not impressed. Graham Harrell had every right to be in that game that Oklahoma did, the BCS is the only reason he didnt get to play for it. Lets see what Tebows numbers would look like if he threw the ball over 600 times, seeing as he threw it less than 300 I dont see how you can even compare the two. Tebow only completed 64.4 percent of his throws when Harrell completed 70.6 percent, seems that one is a lot more accurate than the other. Harrell also threw for more yards and more TDs, but for some reason you dont want to give him credit. Oh and BTW, Harrell did throw more INTs, but he also threw 3 times the passes, so that again is irrelevant.

Sorry, there is no way around this, :D
Harrell attempts 626 70.6 percent complete
Tebow attempts 298 64.4 percent complete

Also the fact that Florida is the champs again has nothing to do with whether or not Harrell is the better passer. Anyone that watcher TT this year knows that the offense was not even close to being the problem, it was their defense. So try again on that one.

All in all if you want to buy into the hype that hes the second coming, you go for it. Thats your opinion, to me, stats speak louder.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

Yeah and thats the issue on why he was able to throw 600 times for a 70% completion percentage. Because TT and everyone else in the Big 12 has horrible defenses. I agree He had better Passing stats, but he didn't throw 3 times as many TD's as Tebow did. Although he did throw 3 x's the INT's. If tebow got to play easy teams 10 out of 12 games a year then he would have a lot better stats. Also I am not saying that Tebow will make a better NFL QB because i don't think he will. But you gotta give the guy props for what he has done in College.

If you want to use partial stats, as will I.

No way around this:
Tebow 4 Int's
Harrell 9 Int's

Obviously Harrell is not as clutch as Tebow either because they got smashed in their bowl game against a team in the bottom half of the SEC, until the end of the year.

Ok lets see next year since Tebow has declared he is coming back. I bet Florida goes farther than TT this upcoming year.

[Enlightened27]

Yeah and thats the issue on why he was able to throw 600 times for a 70% completion percentage. Because TT and everyone else in the Big 12 has horrible defenses. I agree He had better Passing stats, but he didn't throw 3 times as many TD's as Tebow did. Although he did throw 3 x's the INT's. If tebow got to play easy teams 10 out of 12 games a year then he would have a lot better stats. Also I am not saying that Tebow will make a better NFL QB because i don't think he will. But you gotta give the guy props for what he has done in College.

If you want to use partial stats, as will I.

No way around this:
Tebow 4 Int's
Harrell 9 Int's

Obviously Harrell is not as clutch as Tebow either because they got smashed in their bowl game against a team in the bottom half of the SEC, until the end of the year.

Ok lets see next year since Tebow has declared he is coming back. I bet Florida goes farther than TT this upcoming year.[/b]
1) Ummmmm didnt that same Ole Miss team uh, BEAT FLORIDA, I do believe they did sir, hmmmmmmm, so I guess that means that Tebow ALSO LOST TO THEM. What a coincidence, :D

2) Harrell did throw more INTs, but when you take the 74.5 throws per INT of Tebows and average out how many INTs Tebow would have in 626 throws it comes out to 8 just 1 less than Harrell. So again I say, how do you prove that Tebow is better?

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

You just said if he did throw 600 times it would be one less than Harrell. That is better. Plus 2 National Titles. Let me ask you a question. Do you consider Peyton Manning to be better than Tom Brady? Peyton has better career stats, but Tom has won 3 Superbowls and been to a 4th.

[DCfan60]

but they both have bum legs now. lol

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

haha yes this is true.

[Enlightened27]

You just said if he did throw 600 times it would be one less than Harrell. That is better. Plus 2 National Titles. Let me ask you a question. Do you consider Peyton Manning to be better than Tom Brady? Peyton has better career stats, but Tom has won 3 Superbowls and been to a 4th.[/b]
Funny how you mention those two teams, seeing as both primarily live off their defenses. Again I bring up the point that not only did Harrell beat Texas when they were #1, but TT didnt have a great defense. Why penalize Harrell for the lack of a defense. Peyton Manning NEVER won a national title and he NEVER beat Florida, would you still deny his talent? According to your standards that would make Tee Martin better than Peyton, he won a title the year after Peyton left.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

In College yes. A good player in college is not necessarily good in the NFL and vice vera. I am just saying Tebow will get a 3rd national title this year and go down as the greatest College football player ever. However he will never be as good of a NFL QB as a Peyton Manning, or a Tom Brady. But in college his style and his leadership make him the best in college. Tom Brady couldnt even crack the starting line up at Michigan.

So your saying that Indy lives off their Defense. You might want to check back on that. They had one of the worst recorded Defenses in the history of the NFL the year they went to the superbowl. Peyton is that team and always will be till he retires. Last year when New England was undefeated they didnt have that great of an defense. But their Offense put up so many points it made other teams go one dimensional. Which made it easier to play defense against them.

[Enlightened27]

In College yes. A good player in college is not necessarily good in the NFL and vice vera. I am just saying Tebow will get a 3rd national title this year and go down as the greatest College football player ever. However he will never be as good of a NFL QB as a Peyton Manning, or a Tom Brady. But in college his style and his leadership make him the best in college. Tom Brady couldnt even crack the starting line up at Michigan.

So your saying that Indy lives off their Defense. You might want to check back on that. They had one of the worst recorded Defenses in the history of the NFL the year they went to the superbowl. Peyton is that team and always will be till he retires. Last year when New England was undefeated they didnt have that great of an defense. But their Offense put up so many points it made other teams go one dimensional. Which made it easier to play defense against them.[/b]
Still championships are won with defense, not offense. How many times has Florida proven that they can put ANYBODY back there and win a championship? Sorry, youll never sway me on this one, its a wasted effort.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

Oh im not trying to sway you, just stating the Facts. Right now Tebow is top 5 best College football player of all time. This coming from a guy who hates Florida with a passion because I love the Bulldogs. As I know you do too. But if he wins a 3rd National Title then he will be the best. NO ONE has ever won 3 NT before.

[Enlightened27]

After all the UF teams Ive seen I just cant give him credit. UF does not live or die based on him. When he graduates next year that program will continue to dominate. (Im afraid were in for a down season with the loss of Stafford, Moreno, and now Allen) Tebow is a product of the spread as is Harrell, thats why in my opinion and the opinion of MANY scouts that Stafford is actually the more talented QB. Tebow just happens to be in the right system, period.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

Yes Stafford is probably more Talented. But Talent isnt everything, like you see with the Cowboys. Sometimes players have that drive to overcome talent. Like Ray Lewis, when he came out he fell in the draft and everyone said he was way to small to make it in the NFL.......but he produces. Tebow produces in College.

Ohh we might not be that bad off. UGA got a very high QB commit to GA. Aaron Murray, go check out some of his vids on youtube, kid is amazing. He makes some 60 yard throws on the money off his back foot and is very athletic. He loves the deep ball too, plus he can run. He might have a rough first year like most QB's but i think he could be better than Stafford in the long run.

[Enlightened27]

Yes Stafford is probably more Talented. But Talent isnt everything, like you see with the Cowboys. Sometimes players have that drive to overcome talent. Like Ray Lewis, when he came out he fell in the draft and everyone said he was way to small to make it in the NFL.......but he produces. Tebow produces in College.

Ohh we might not be that bad off. UGA got a very high QB commit to GA. Aaron Murray, go check out some of his vids on youtube, kid is amazing. He makes some 60 yard throws on the money off his back leg and is very athletic. He loves the deep ball too, plus he can run. He might have a rough first year like most QB's but i think he could be better than Stafford in the long run.[/b]
Ive already seen the vids, but as I said, well have an off year this year. Stafford had a HORRIBLE freshman year. After Knowshon I hope Richt learned his lesson about redshirting.

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

Yeah we will probably only win 9 games or so. Definitely not a National title run type of year. But im sure we will do better than Average. At least in the SEC. We had such a rough schedule this year, Next year might be a tad easier. We shouldnt have to play Alabama, and maybe not LSU, or do we play LSU every year?

[Enlightened27]

Yeah we will probably only win 9 games or so. Definitely not a National title run type of year. But im sure we will do better than Average. At least in the SEC. We had such a rough schedule this year, Next year might be a tad easier. We shouldnt have to play Alabama, and maybe not LSU, or do we play LSU every year?[/b]

Sat, Sep 05 Oklahoma State at Stillwater, Okla.

Sat, Sep 12 South Carolina * Athens, Ga.

Sat, Sep 19 Arkansas * at Fayetteville, Ark.

Sat, Sep 26 Arizona State Athens, Ga.

Sat, Oct 03 LSU * Athens, Ga.

Sat, Oct 10 Tennessee * at Knoxville, Tenn.

Sat, Oct 17 Vanderbilt * at Nashville, Tenn.

Sat, Oct 31 Florida * at Jacksonville, Fla. (could we not play this game in the Ga. Dome every other year?)

Sat, Nov 07 Tennessee Tech Athens, Ga.

Sat, Nov 14 Auburn * Athens, Ga.

Sat, Nov 21 Kentucky * Athens, Ga.

Sat, Nov 28 Georgia Tech at Atlanta, Ga.

[bluestar]

The Tampa boy from up the school up the street what do you want to know about Aaron Murray? He really benefited from that massive TE they have at Plant High.

Robert Marve is from that same high school,same system that won him Mr.Florida Football. Hope he turns out better than him.

[Enlightened27]

The Tampa boy from up the school up the street what do you want to know about Aaron Murray? He really benefited from that massive TE they have at Plant High.

Robert Marve is from that same high school,same system that won him Mr.Florida Football. Hope he turns out better than him.[/b]
Murray's size scares me, hes only 6'. Not quite prototype size.

[bluestar]

Murray's size scares me, hes only 6'. Not quite prototype size.[/b]

He is just barely that to be honest. He should be a good college quarterback. Seems like a good kid.

[Enlightened27]

He is just barely that to be honest. He should be a good college quarterback. Seems like a good kid.[/b]
Im glad hell get to sit as a freshman, Im hoping that Joe Cox get the start, hes been around longer and knows the system.

[Enlightened27]

Oh im not trying to sway you, just stating the Facts. Right now Tebow is top 5 best College football player of all time. This coming from a guy who hates Florida with a passion because I love the Bulldogs. As I know you do too. But if he wins a 3rd National Title then he will be the best. NO ONE has ever won 3 NT before.[/b]
I guess that if wins is what matters to then David Greene is actually the best QB EVER in NCAA history. Hes won more games than anyone. Of course, maybe this is just my opinion, wins are a TEAM thing. Since Tebow is responsible for all their success maybe we should just send him out there 1 on 11? :D

[CowboyFan-n-GA]

I guess that if wins is what matters to then David Greene is actually the best QB EVER in NCAA history. Hes won more games than anyone. Of course, maybe this is just my opinion, wins are a TEAM thing. Since Tebow is responsible for all their success maybe we should just send him out there 1 on 11? :D[/b]


How many titles does David Greene have? I never said only wins. I said National Title wins. Which he has 2 of and probably a 3rd next season.

[Enlightened27]

So winningest QB means nothing, I get it.....................not really.