Vick Can Take His Apology...

[DallasBoys]

Okay, I am prepared to be called anything for saying this, but did anyone else get a load of that Vick rehearsed display of contrition?
Let me remind everyone that he has a team of attorneys and hired P.R. guys all well-skilled in orchestrating these events and spinning the public opinion (so easily swayed) in our CNN world. This is all part of a carefully planned dance he will do to avoid the true penalties the judge should impose on him. Call me harsh (that's the least of what I will be called), but if I was caught doing what Vick did, I'd get tossed in jail for the full sentence and THEN get a state convistion from Virginia. I hope Goodell sees through the veil of BS being dished here and hands down a long, and well-deserved suspension for Vick. Notice the side-stepping of the gambling issue (which is punishable by a lifetime suspension from the NFL) . Do you honestly believe he NEVER placed a bet on those fights? He just "sponsored" what was happening literally in his own back yard?
I am not buying this load. And if it sounds like I am some kind of merciless a-hole, then I am sorry, but butchering dogs for sport and thinking no one will ever know makes me very angry. As a former dog owner, I cannot feel pity for anyone who takes the greatest animal of all and throws them into a ring to tear each others' flesh off till they die. Toss Vick into a jail cell and let him think long and hard about what he was blessed by God to have (the privilege to play football for a living...something I and millions would love to do), and then what he threw away.
I say ban for life. That way, we don't have to hear about this crap happening ever again. AND, if any Cowboy is named by Vick as gambler or participant in these acts of butchery, the same suspension.

And ESPN and Skip "The Weenie" Bayless can take their symapthy for Vick and shove it too. Lifetime suspension for what was calculated, organized, extremely enjoyable acts of brutality toward dogs. He spent years putting this together and running it, sleeping at night, and making money off it (because why else would you blow millions doing this?), so now he can sit and take his punishment. Now the race card is out of the bag and making everyone tremble. Just for the record, I am 100% hispanic and very proud. Like the putrid attorney general Gonzalez who finally left his corrupt office today, punishments should come down regardless of color, race, or faked humility.

[lcboysfan]

I heard it, and Have a problem with a person speaking of themselves in the 3rd person, Like Michael Vick is a corporation instead of a person..Crazy Get on with his sentencing but I guess for his sake, He'll be sentenced in December and will most likely be out next yr and if Goodell suspends him after that with a 1 yr Ban his career is basically over

[DallasBoys]

...And now Blank does NOT cut Vick. The best line was the cover-my-ass line "We had no inkling that this was happening...had we known, we would have acted in the appropriate manner..."

What manner is that??? Do nothing like you are doing now afteryou DO know? I am so disappointed in the power of money on everyone. Hoenstly, this is a business decision...we can sell his contract when he gets out for big money and some draft picks. What a jerk off wimp.
"It's not about me", he says....a-hole. It's about the value of that contract for the Falcons in the future as a trade chip.

[DallasBoys]

Here, enjoy doggies....

http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/

[lcboysfan]

...And now Blank does NOT cut Vick. The best line was the cover-my-ass line "We had no inkling that this was happening...had we known, we would have acted in the appropriate manner..."

What manner is that??? Do nothing like you are doing now afteryou DO know? I am so disappointed in the power of money on everyone. Hoenstly, this is a business decision...we can sell his contract when he gets out for big money and some draft picks. What a jerk off wimp.
"It's not about me", he says....a-hole. It's about the value of that contract for the Falcons in the future as a trade chip.[/b]


Blank isn't cutting Vick because he's going after 22 mill of his signing Bonus and if he cuts him from the Team then his chances of getting that is slim to none..All about the Business right now

[BSchank]

You are correct LC. And as for you DallasBoys, I agree with how you feel. HOW DO YOU DEFEND THIS ACT? He has pleaded guilty, we KNOW he was involved, and involved to a sickening extent!

I'm watching ESPN coverage and I seriously turned it off...

"This isn't really about Michael Vick." - Jemele Hill, ESPN "Reporter". You've GOT to be kidding me. It certainly is about Michael Vick. And now we have "reporters" on ESPN changing the subject to having white fans being jealous about black athletes. I can't take this.

[DallasBoys]

Oh, ESPN is unwatchable today. Anytime someone throws up a race issue when it comes to a crime THAT THE SUSPECT HAS PLED GUILTY TO, I get nauseous. What ON EARTH does the race of the defendant have to do with the FACT that he participated in this crime? ugh

[mcaje]

And ESPN and Skip "The Weenie" Bayless can take their symapthy for Vick and shove it too. Lifetime suspension for what was calculated, organized, extremely enjoyable acts of brutality toward dogs. He spent years putting this together and running it, sleeping at night, and making money off it (because why else would you blow millions doing this?), so now he can sit and take his punishment. Now the race card is out of the bag and making everyone tremble. Just for the record, I am 100% hispanic and very proud. Like the putrid attorney general Gonzalez who finally left his corrupt office today, punishments should come down regardless of color, race, or faked humility.[/b]


Hey, I liked Gonzalez. B)

[all about the d]

Did it sound rehersed - YES
Did he sound pretentous speaking about himself in the 3rd person - Oh Yeah
Does all this media coverage blow hard, when we should be getting REAL football news - Better believe it

However, I have to say something positive about this: No T.O. Circus!!!! Whoooohoooo!

[Cowboyzadam]

Did it sound rehersed - YES
Did he sound pretentous speaking about himself in the 3rd person - Oh Yeah
Does all this media coverage blow hard, when we should be getting REAL football news - Better believe it

However, I have to say something positive about this: No T.O. Circus!!!! Whoooohoooo![/b]


Amen to that Brother.

Mitch I also liked Gonzalez...oh well to each his own I guess. I don't want this thread to turn into a Political thread so lets say we stick to it being all about A-hole Vick.

[mcaje]

...lets say we stick to it being all about A-hole Vick.[/b]


Amen Brother!

I still like the idea of the organized crime syndicate sicking a bunch of pit bulls on Vick the Squealer. B)

[maxdallasfan]

Hey, hey, cut the guy a break. He said he found Jesus!! So he's cured! Just like the guy who murders someone....during his trial, he's cured, for he found Jesus.

:wacko:

[snoopbusta]

Myself, I heard about the apology but when it came on I choose to turn my 360 on. I have other things to do besides listen to a grown man apologize for something he did that did not affect me. As for the criticism about the apology perhaps he should have said nothing? Its not like the dogs he killed and hurt can give their opinion on it anyway. Besides, Apology's almost never mean a lighter prison sentence. Forgive me if I seem callous but the guy did the crime and is going to do the time for it. Therefore his apology... take it or leave it. I heard some chick on the radio talking about his apology did not do it for her and I have a problem with that. That problem being none of us are god and most of us are not Judges. How about lets leave the judging up to one of those two?

[DallasBoys]

Myself, I heard about the apology but when it came on I choose to turn my 360 on. I have other things to do besides listen to a grown man apologize for something he did that did not affect me. As for the criticism about the apology perhaps he should have said nothing? Its not like the dogs he killed and hurt can give their opinion on it anyway. Besides, Apology's almost never mean a lighter prison sentence. Forgive me if I seem callous but the guy did the crime and is going to do the time for it. Therefore his apology... take it or leave it. I heard some chick on the radio talking about his apology did not do it for her and I have a problem with that. That problem being none of us are god and most of us are not Judges. How about lets leave the judging up to one of those two?[/b]

I would agree with you Snoop, but there is a fine line between what you are saying and just using your noggin in this life. I CAN judge when someone does something reprehensible in this world. The apology was just that, some words to express an idea or an emotion. I can question the motive, but you are right to say that there is where I need to stop. I don't know what is in his heart as he spoke. I DO know some hard facts about his actions, which include lying to his boss, his company, and investigators...those are facts. Facts also tell us (in Vick's own plea agreement) that he is guilty of bankrolling, condoning, planning, and presumably enjoying this unquestionably barbaric bloodsport.
I CAN judge that any man who behaves in that way is acting stupidly, is flaunting the law of the land, and has no regard for God's creations.
Having said that, I can also tell you that many criminals just before sentencing will offer apologies to the victims and families he/she has damaged in open court. It has become more and more prevalent in coruts to allow the condemned to offer a statement jsut before the judge sentences the individual. Whether the motive is genuine or not is for God and the judge to decide.
I find it impossible to undertstand a mind that can butcher animals AND THEN get a good night's sleep and even perform at a high level of concentration and skill in an athletic endeavor. That to me represents the mind of pathological lunatic, whoever it is in any lifestyle. Again, I am not judging, but I am expressing my view based on the facts. Killing dogs is NOT as on the same level as killing humans in my mind, but when one understands that domesticated dogs have been an immensely valuable companion to mankind since the dawn of time, it becomes an appalling act of barbarism and inhumanity. THAT I CAN say and judge.
May the judge decide and may he suffer the full measure of whatever consequences for his actions he owes our society. As for the privilege of playing football for a living, may the Dallas Cowboys have nothing to do with his man when he returns at running back to the NFL. I hope no one does. He gave up his privilege when he used it to bankroll dogs ripping the skin off each other.

[tlbabin]

OK...leave it to 'ol Darkseid to stray from the herd. First off, I don't hate Mike Vick. Don't even dislike him intensely. I pick who I hate (real hate - not sports hate, i.e. Philly, Washington) very selectively. I reserve my utter disdain (in no particular order) for the following types...and only when I'm convinced beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty of said offense... murderers (of people), rapists, child molesters, racists, women beaters and the like. These are the types of which I'd love to send on a one way ticket to hell. My blood boils when you mention names like Hitler, Sadaam, Manson (Charles...not Marilyn), Bin Laden, The 9-11 hijackers, Dahmer, The Ku Klux Klan, O.J., Berkowitz (Son of Sam), The D.C. sniper, or any of the scum on "to catch a predator". Sorry, but somehow I just can't get a simmer when you mention Mike Vick...killer of dogs. When I look at the national hysteria...and down right hatred of Vick...I just don't get it. I have heard of dog fighting and cruelty for years (I'm 45). I have seen news stories (full reports) about this very topic for years and I have NEVER seen the kind of reaction that you've had with Vick. Hell the average joe on the street could have cared less about the stuff PETA people have been saying for years. I've heard a few people say, "Well he's the most famous person to be implicated". So that makes you care more? Will all the folks so incensed by Vick be motivated enough to pursue the fight against animal cruelty once Vick is in prison? My suspicion is that they'll just forget bout it and move on to the next big media story to get mad about. And who cares if he plays again or not? It’s not gonna affect my life (or yours) in the slightest. Mike Vick is going to prison and I'm cool with that. Justice was served. But excuse me if I don't feel like we just made the world safe from evil because of it. It just ain't that big of a deal. Just my 2 pennies.

[mcaje]

I couldn't care less about PETA either. B)

[Cowboyzadam]

OK...leave it to 'ol Darkseid to stray from the herd. First off, I don't hate Mike Vick. Don't even dislike him intensely. I pick who I hate (real hate - not sports hate, i.e. Philly, Washington) very selectively. I reserve my utter disdain (in no particular order) for the following types...and only when I'm convinced beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty of said offense... murderers (of people), rapists, child molesters, racists, women beaters and the like. These are the types of which I'd love to send on a one way ticket to hell. My blood boils when you mention names like Hitler, Sadaam, Manson (Charles...not Marilyn), Bin Laden, The 9-11 hijackers, Dahmer, The Ku Klux Klan, O.J., Berkowitz (Son of Sam), The D.C. sniper, or any of the scum on "to catch a predator". Sorry, but somehow I just can't get a simmer when you mention Mike Vick...killer of dogs. When I look at the national hysteria...and down right hatred of Vick...I just don't get it. I have heard of dog fighting and cruelty for years (I'm 45). I have seen news stories (full reports) about this very topic for years and I have NEVER seen the kind of reaction that you've had with Vick. Hell the average joe on the street could have cared less about the stuff PETA people have been saying for years. I've heard a few people say, "Well he's the most famous person to be implicated". So that makes you care more? Will all the folks so incensed by Vick be motivated enough to pursue the fight against animal cruelty once Vick is in prison? My suspicion is that they'll just forget bout it and move on to the next big media story to get mad about. And who cares if he plays again or not? It’s not gonna affect my life (or yours) in the slightest. Mike Vick is going to prison and I'm cool with that. Justice was served. But excuse me if I don't feel like we just made the world safe from evil because of it. It just ain't that big of a deal. Just my 2 pennies.[/b]


Darkseid, You do make some valid points. Like after Vick is convicted and serves his time probably 95% of the people who are coming out of the wood works to take a stance right now will all disappear. I've seen it happen before and It will happen again.

Where I differ with you on a lot is the part where you say it just is not a big deal to you. I respect your opinion but It is a VERY BIG DEAL to me. It bothers me a lot. I have spent 15 years of my life in the Veterinary field helping rehabilitate used and abused dogs. Let me tell you how awful some of the things you see each day while doing that. I have seen 1st hand what uncaring and sick (VICK) have and can do to a helpless animal. Who hears them cry for help at the hands of a monster like Vick and his friends? So these dogs are not people.

They are known to be Man's best friend. Loyal with unconditional love. They don't judge and always wag their tail when you come through the door. If you abuse them like Vick and company they hurt just like you or I do. The bleed just like you or I do. SO yeah...It's a BIG Deal to me. I throw out the question similar to yours...I don't get it when someone says It's no big deal? Remember...how you view the situation has a lot to do with where you stand on the definition of Cruelty...Period.
If you want to label the levels of Cruelty to lessen the importance placed upon it then so be it.

What Vick and his chumps did was Cruelty of the finest in my book. Therefore you will never hear me say that it is just no big deal to me.

[DallasBoys]

Darkseid, who said I hate anyone? It has zero to do with hatred or blood boiling, or Hitler and OJ Simpson! It has everything to do with using an innocent creeatures' instincts for sport and money. Using an animal to destroy itself and others of it's kind for fun and profit is very wrong. Whether or not you like or dislike the individuals involved or whether or not it makes your "blood boil" is entirely irrelevant.

And PETA also has 0% to do with this situation. We are talking about violating laws and basic human moral conduct. What Vick was involved with was cruel, ugly, and by law (nevermind the emotion of anger), illegal. The law dictates that we punish this man. Logic also says that a man who engages in this behavior is also unaware of the most basic right of all creatures to live. Your boss would want to disassociate his company from any individual who behaves so poorly, in fact, I can almost gurantee you would be fired for being guilty of any crime landing you in jail for months. The NFL and the Falcons are Vick's employers. They should and will disassociate themselves with Michael Vick.

Does that remove enough emotion for you?

And by the way, most PETA activists are far too extreme to be taken seriously.

[DCfan60]

what bothers me is not the dog fighting.. Ok I have problems with the whole save the whales, save the seals, save the animals, but not enough ppl saving ppl from all this...

what I have a problem with is the whole killing dogs if they were no good, and they way in which he did it.. from what his own friends have said.. chocking them to death or drowning them or even I believe shooting them.. that is what bothers me.. this man is not right.. if he can do that.. could he do it to a human? that kind of act is what bothers me..

Hell dogs in my area if put together will fight until they are bleeding if one has what the other wants.. ie food for a bitch..

but being able to kill anything with so little reguard is over the line for me.. and needs to be handled in a very firm way..

[mcaje]

Hell dogs in my area if put together will fight until they are bleeding if one has what the other wants.. ie food for a bitch..[/b]


WTF? :mellow:

[Cowboyzadam]

WTF? :mellow:[/b]


I swear Mitch you can always crack me up! :lol: In the middle of all the serious debate on this issue you throw in a big WTF? :P Priceless. Don't ever change bro.

[tlbabin]

Darkseid, who said I hate anyone?[/b]
Good question. Who DID say that you hated anyone?


It has zero to do with hatred or blood boiling[/b]
Then why are your panties in such a bunch?


We are talking about violating laws and basic human moral conduct.[/b]

I could name about 30 or 40 current law violation / moral conduct issues that are more important right now than the Vick case.


The law dictates that we punish this man.[/b]
He's going to prison. Nuff said...



Logic also says that a man who engages in this behavior is also unaware of the most basic right of all creatures to live.[/b]

This basic right seems to fly out of the window when you're chomping on your steroid-laced T-bone. Perhaps if pit bull chops were on the menu, it would make everything alright.



I can almost gurantee you would be fired for being guilty of any crime landing you in jail for months.[/b]

Not if your name is Scooter and you're friends with the President.


The NFL and the Falcons are Vick's employers. They should and will disassociate themselves with Michael Vick.[/b]
If Vick can still run fast after his sentence is done, he will find a job in the NFL. Mark it down.


Does that remove enough emotion for you?[/b]
No...I've still got an emotional hangover.


And by the way, most PETA activists are far too extreme to be taken seriously.[/b]
I thought they just believed in the "most basic right of all creatures to live". Just cuz they value the mating grounds of the North American spotted tree snail over a manufacturing plant is no reason to ridicule them.

[DallasBoys]

Darkseid, you crack me up! :lol:

[tlbabin]

Gotta keep it light cousin. Besides I'd much rather fuss with you about the Cowboys (remember them?).

[DallasBoys]

Gotta keep it light cousin. Besides I'd much rather fuss with you about the Cowboys (remember them?).[/b]

true...not to worry. There will be PLENTY to talk about this year I suspect. ;)

[snoopbusta]

on a slightly different note did anyone hear trick daddy's comments on vick? commical.. thats the only thing I can say.