Osamas dead!

[NewmanOwns]

Proud day to be American, we have been waiting a long time for this!

[electrochemical]

Damn right brother!!!!

[SmilesAustin]

Like I said on Facebook, I can't even imagine what it would have felt like to have this guy in your cross-hairs. I want to know who made the shot... true American hero if there ever was one.

[Enlightened27]

Im a bit skeptical. Does anyone else think it is a little fishy that just days after the president releases his birth certificate (which took 3 years to find apparently) they find and kill Bin Laden? I dont know, seems too coincidental to me. Especially with elections coming up.

[b_cadvantag]

Im a bit skeptical. Does anyone else think it is a little fishy that just days after the president releases his birth certificate (which took 3 years to find apparently) they find and kill Bin Laden? I dont know, seems too coincidental to me. Especially with elections coming up.

I am with you on that thought process.

It says we buried his body at sea? :confused:

I am glad he is dead, but my conspiracy mind says there is so much more to the story......

[DonCanabis]

Can we put the consiracy theory's to rest at least for a week at least and enjoy this moment? Look this isn't over by far and yeah there are question like possible reprecussion but for now we have to be glad that one way or another the person responsible of the biggest terroris attack in the world is gone.

For the people that lost love ones that day and for the people who lost love ones trying to get him it's and important day.... there's a lot to talk about later on but for now I'm just Thankful the MOFO is DEAD

[NewmanOwns]

Can we put the consiracy theory's to rest at least for a week at least and enjoy this moment? Look this isn't over by far and yeah there are question like possible reprecussion but for now we have to be glad that one way or another the person responsible of the biggest terroris attack in the world is gone.

For the people that lost love ones that day and for the people who lost love ones trying to get him it's and important day.... there's a lot to talk about later on but for now I'm just Thankful the MOFO is DEAD
x2!

btw, saw the picture of this fool with a bullet hole in his forehead...

[b_cadvantag]

For the people that lost love ones that day and for the people who lost love ones trying to get him it's and important day.... there's a lot to talk about later on but for now I'm just Thankful the MOFO is DEAD

It is a GREAT victory for those that fought the battle! AND for those that we LOST!

I am glad he is DEAD!

I noticed Seal Team 6 killed him! I celebrate that!! I was stationed on Dam neck, VA base that we shared with Seal Team 6.

[DonCanabis]

x2!

btw, saw the picture of this fool with a bullet hole in his forehead...


the photo is a fake


Based on some of the comments below (http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-we-think-that-bin-laden-death-photo-is-a-fake#comments) (I've also replied inline there), I've updated the headline to clarify that this post is just an attempt to clarify that one picture purporting to be something is in fact fake, not a larger commentary on the important news that Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. troops. To follow our reporting on the raid that killed him, read Bill Dedman's story here. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42853221/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/)
Meanwhile, the U.S. government says they have pictures of bin Laden's body and are considering whether and when to release them. According to The Los Angeles Times: (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-al-qaeda-islamabad-navy-seals.html)

During the operation, a photo of his face was transmitted to analysts, who confirmed the identification.
According to Pentagon officials, photos of Bin Laden's dead face do exist but those widely distributed on the Internet are fake. At some point, if only to convince die-hard Bin Laden followers, officials are expected to release a corpse photo, as has been done in the past when famous villains such as Che Guevara and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein were killed or captured. Additionally, such special ops are typically videotaped by mini-helmet cams to document a sensitive mission and assist in debriefing and future training.

[NewmanOwns]

Yeah it was seal team 6, there is no one more awesome in the world than those guys.

[DCfan60]

long time coming, an over due..

[Enlightened27]

Can we put the consiracy theory's to rest at least for a week at least and enjoy this moment? Look this isn't over by far and yeah there are question like possible reprecussion but for now we have to be glad that one way or another the person responsible of the biggest terroris attack in the world is gone.

For the people that lost love ones that day and for the people who lost love ones trying to get him it's and important day.... there's a lot to talk about later on but for now I'm just Thankful the MOFO is DEAD
There are too many coincidences for me. Why bury him at sea? (Where no one will be able to prove 100% its him) Why did it come just days after the president released his birth certificate? How did it just happen months before election time? I can respect what you are trying to say, but if you expect me to be silent and pretend to be as naive as the rest of the nation, Im sorry sir I cant. There are many questions here that dont add up. Celebrating the "death" of Bin Laden wont bring anyone back neither will ignoring the very obvious questions about all this.

Im not a conspiracy theorist, but this stuff is just too coincidental for me. Even if it is really him, you have to admit, its pretty weird timing.

[SmilesAustin]

They buried him at sea because they didn't want to risk him becoming a martyr. Bury him in the ground and the location instantly becomes a breeding ground for al Quada and their sympathizers. Secondary to that was the idea of pissing off the Muslim community as little as possible by being sympathetic to their belief that bodies should be typically be buried within a day of their death. A third reason would be to avoid possible al Quada attacks on American soil in an attempt to retrieve the body.

But let's say you don't buy those excuses. How long do you think before the "alive and well" Osama bin Laden makes another video proclaiming himself to actually be alive? My guess is that there will be an al Quada Osama Bin Laden impostor video out within the next couple of weeks trying to trick us into thinking he's alive, and the video will be studied intently by the masses trying to figure out if it's really him or not. Let's not forget the possibility that he already had a video made just in case he was killed to trick us into thinking he's still alive. Unfortunately, this conspiracy theory is never going to go away. This will be our generation's "Moon Landing." As if the 9/11 conspiracies weren't ridiculous enough.

The real crime here is how the president announced it. I've bolded the parts I have a problem with:


...shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

Sorry, but accepting intel given to you by the US Military and authorizing an attack does not mean you can take any credit for it whatsoever. He did nothing that any other president wouldn't have done if presented with the same information. The noble thing to do would have been to give the credit to the US Military for doing all the work and let people connect the dots on their own if they wish.

On a lighter note, I would have loved to have seen George W Bush's speech announcing this if it had happened while he was president. Would have been way more satisfying, IMO. "Hello everyone.... WE GOT HIM!" along with fist pump and a few high fives after the speech.

[Haynie]

Im not a conspiracy theorist, but this stuff is just too coincidental for me. Even if it is really him, you have to admit, its pretty weird timing.

You're not alone, Eric. The convenience of this situation, both in the timing and many details, is suspicious. I'm certainly reserved in my acceptance of "facts."

Like everyone, I'm mostly concerned about the backlash. I think the sad truth here is that this was ultimately just one man. The media did a lot to elevate and even exaggerate his status, but at the end of the day the organization is still alive and just as capable of the same acts.

[SmilesAustin]

I just don't think it's rational to doubt this. Like I said, if he's alive, he'll make it known. It's already so high risk for the Obama administration because it would be so easy for al Quada to get all the conspiracy theorists going simply by releasing either a pre-made Osama video (wouldn't you do it if you were him?) Or an imposter video because it will be almost impossible to prove that it's not him.

I also don't get the retaliation concern. These guys never needed a reason to "retaliate." They'd pull off a 9/11 every year if they could. Retaliation implies that they haven't already been tirelessly trying to stage another attack. It's not really retaliation at this point, it's just more of the same.

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[sandtrapjack]

There are too many coincidences for me. Why bury him at sea? (Where no one will be able to prove 100% its him) Why did it come just days after the president released his birth certificate? How did it just happen months before election time? I can respect what you are trying to say, but if you expect me to be silent and pretend to be as naive as the rest of the nation, Im sorry sir I cant. There are many questions here that dont add up. Celebrating the "death" of Bin Laden wont bring anyone back neither will ignoring the very obvious questions about all this.

Im not a conspiracy theorist, but this stuff is just too coincidental for me. Even if it is really him, you have to admit, its pretty weird timing.

You are kidding, right? Did you ever stop to think how many people would have to be involved in that? Hundreds. Including the entire population of Abbottabad Pakistan who witnessed the attack.

And if it were untrue, the first thing we would hear is Al Qaeda denying the attack and a video on Al Jeezera of Bin Laden alive and well.

This is not a conspiracy. He is dead.

[SmilesAustin]

You are kidding, right? Did you ever stop to think how many people would have to be involved in that? Hundreds. Including the entire population of Abbottabad Pakistan who witnessed the attack.

And if it were untrue, the first thing we would hear is Al Qaeda denying the attack and a video on Al Jeezera of Bin Laden alive and well.

This is not a conspiracy. He is dead.

Exactly. I am no Obama fan, but imagine you were president. Why on Earth would you stage a fake Osama bin Laden capture, knowing full well that he's going to make a video proving he's alive and thus making you look like a complete fool in the process and turning you entire country against you for lying about such a thing.

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[Enlightened27]

They buried him at sea because they didn't want to risk him becoming a martyr. Bury him in the ground and the location instantly becomes a breeding ground for al Quada and their sympathizers. Secondary to that was the idea of pissing off the Muslim community as little as possible by being sympathetic to their belief that bodies should be typically be buried within a day of their death. A third reason would be to avoid possible al Quada attacks on American soil in an attempt to retrieve the body.

But let's say you don't buy those excuses. How long do you think before the "alive and well" Osama bin Laden makes another video proclaiming himself to actually be alive? My guess is that there will be an al Quada Osama Bin Laden impostor video out within the next couple of weeks trying to trick us into thinking he's alive, and the video will be studied intently by the masses trying to figure out if it's really him or not. Let's not forget the possibility that he already had a video made just in case he was killed to trick us into thinking he's still alive. Unfortunately, this conspiracy theory is never going to go away. This will be our generation's "Moon Landing." As if the 9/11 conspiracies weren't ridiculous enough.

The real crime here is how the president announced it. I've bolded the parts I have a problem with:



Sorry, but accepting intel given to you by the US Military and authorizing an attack does not mean you can take any credit for it whatsoever. He did nothing that any other president wouldn't have done if presented with the same information. The noble thing to do would have been to give the credit to the US Military for doing all the work and let people connect the dots on their own if they wish.

On a lighter note, I would have loved to have seen George W Bush's speech announcing this if it had happened while he was president. Would have been way more satisfying, IMO. "Hello everyone.... WE GOT HIM!" along with fist pump and a few high fives after the speech.
My main problem with all this is it seems like a HUGE publicity stunt. Thats what makes me so sick. It just seems like Obama expects to get full credit for this which just means votes to him. Its like a huge political publicity stunt.

I wouldnt be surprised if it is him. I wasnt trying to say that its not, but its a little fishy. I was just presenting questions I have.

Thanks for clearing the thing up about the sea burial Zac, that makes a lot of sense. I still find it fishy that this distraction happen to come off Obama finding his birth certificate.

[Tulip_Sniper]

great great news thank you to all our service members. Still waiting on the white house to release photos I won't really be satisfied until I see them.

[Enlightened27]

great great news thank you to all our service members. Still waiting on the white house to release photos I won't really be satisfied until I see them.
Im with you on that one. Without pics its like they can tell us anything.

[Tulip_Sniper]

Im with you on that one. Without pics its like they can tell us anything.
oh I believe he's gone but I had two cousins fight overseas and lost two friends overseas in the war. I want to see that pricks rotting carcass with my own eyes.

also this the time line of events
Four years ago - Courier's name and info found out from detainees.
Two years ago - Courier's general regional location found out. In PAKISTAN. Within 35 miles of Islamabad.
August 2010 - Compound identified as one attached to bin Laden's courier.
Months inbetween - U.S. intelligence goes, yeah, this compound pretty much stands out as setting off all the flags.
Friday - Obama gives the go order.
3:30 PM Eastern/1:30 AM Pakistan - Usama operation well, goes. 40 minute firefight, no American casualties, a number of al Qaeda/related casualties. Bin Laden refused to surrender, got shot many times, at least one kill shot in the head.
Interm - U.S. asks Pakistan or Saudi Arabia if they want the body, they say, HELL NO.
Around 10PM Eastern - Obama Administration announces there will be a statement made by the President.
Shortly thereafter - Former Rumsfeld staffer spoils it by saying it's bin Laden.
Obama speech - Is bin Laden. He dead. *Walks back down the hall.*
Around 2:30 AM Eastern Time - bin Laden buried at sea.

[Enlightened27]

I find it funny that people really believe this is the end of things. This was a war against terror, not one terrorist. If we stop now then we did all this for nothing.

[Tulip_Sniper]

it won't be but this guy was our bogeyman for 10 years we lost a lot chasing him we should cheer and jump for joy. No one I've talked to has said this is the end everyone knows it goes further then him. Let us celebrate a little longer before pissing in our cereal.

[Enlightened27]

To me its all too sad. Revenge is never what people make it out to be. In the end you still lose your loved one and then someone else loses theirs. Its a never ending cycle of violence and meaningless bloodshed. Thats not how Jesus taught us to live. Knowing that Satan has claimed another soul in Hell is nothing to celebrate.

[sandtrapjack]

The burial at sea was a smart move. I know a lot of people want to see visual proof. But burying him at sea when they did was the right thing to do. Here's why:

1. They contacted other countries regarding the remains. None wanted his remains.
2. They did not want his burial site to become a shrine to the Al Queda, thus amplifying his martyrdom.
3. Don't forget that we, as a country, have no issue with Muslims as a people or religion, just Bin Laden. So burying him within 24 hours, as is demanded by the Muslim religion only further enhanced our respect for Muslims. If they would have waited to dispose of the remains. it could have been looked upon as disrespectful to Muslims. By burying him when they did, they showed tremendous respect to Muslim beliefs. They even followed Muslim ceremony practices when they buried him. Cleansing his body and wrapping it in a white shroud. Good move.

[Enlightened27]

This makes me sick:


"President Bush had 2,686 days to catch Osama bin Laden. President Obama got that job done in 831 days," said Lawrence O'Donnell," at the start of his 8 p.m. show. "Somehow ... bin Laden got the feeling that he could settle down comfortable in a walled fortress is a Pakistan suburb. But someone -- someone -- was still thinking about bin Laden in a lethal way. ... President Obama would make his biggest national security priority getting Osama bin Laden, and so he did."
Like he did it alone and President Bush didnt gather any intelligence in the time his team was looking for Bin Laden. Not only that, but it was the same people (our military and intelligence agencies) looking for him with Obama that was looking for him with Bush. Where do people get off giving Obama sole credit for this. This makes me want to throw up. This is a prime example of why I cant stand politics anymore. Instead of us all being Americans and standing up as one country it always will come back to Republican vs Democrat.

[sandtrapjack]

To me its all too sad. Revenge is never what people make it out to be. In the end you still lose your loved one and then someone else loses theirs. Its a never ending cycle of violence and meaningless bloodshed. Thats not how Jesus taught us to live. Knowing that Satan has claimed another soul in Hell is nothing to celebrate.
There is a difference between revenge and justice. This was justice.

[SmilesAustin]

Yeah, I mean no disrespect to the father who said this, but there was a guy who had a 23 year old son who died in the WTC on 9/11 and he made a speech about how he's not celebrating bin Laden's death because it can't bring his son back and essentially it's just wrong to celebrate any death.

Again, with all due respect, everybody handles these things in a different way. To me, there is absolutely nothing immoral, unethical, or wrong with being happy that we finally killed bin Laden. Those who choose to believe that we shouldn't be happy or celebrate, that's perfectly fine and that's where your belief system takes you. But these folks have got to get off their high horse telling us how to feel. I never asked anyone else to be happy, all I ask is that they respect my right to feel the way I feel about it.

It just drives me crazy that the media is sensationalizing the minority of people who are trying to tell us that we shouldn't be happy about this.

Honestly, I endured the horror, sadness (etc) that came along with 9/11... I ought to be able to enjoy it when the bastard who came up with the idea gets a double-tap to the head.

[Enlightened27]

Yeah, I mean no disrespect to the father who said this, but there was a guy who had a 23 year old son who died in the WTC on 9/11 and he made a speech about how he's not celebrating bin Laden's death because it can't bring his son back and essentially it's just wrong to celebrate any death.

Again, with all due respect, everybody handles these things in a different way. To me, there is absolutely nothing immoral, unethical, or wrong with being happy that we finally killed bin Laden. Those who choose to believe that we shouldn't be happy or celebrate, that's perfectly fine and that's where your belief system takes you. But these folks have got to get off their high horse telling us how to feel. I never asked anyone else to be happy, all I ask is that they respect my right to feel the way I feel about it.

It just drives me crazy that the media is sensationalizing the minority of people who are trying to tell us that we shouldn't be happy about this.

Honestly, I endured the horror, sadness (etc) that came along with 9/11... I ought to be able to enjoy it when the bastard who came up with the idea gets a double-tap to the head.
Im not trying to tell anyone how to act. I was just saying that its sad that he went to Hell. He'll forever be tormented, not for 9-11, but for never excepting the gift of salvation that Jesus Christ gave on the cross. I choose not to celebrate that.

[CowboyzAdam]

Just let me add a note to this if I may from a Christians standpoint. I do not want to get all in to it deep here because some things are just way to personal for me to go in to it to deeply on a forum board. Certain deep feelings for me anyways are left for me to explain and discuss with my loved ones and very close personal friends.


Just let me say this. I am a Christian and proud of it and will not bend my deep beliefs for anyone. That said i would never push my beliefs on anyone either. If they asked me why I believe the way i believe I would be glad to share with them. I am a strong believer in freedom of Religion. Not just mine but everyone's.

As a Christian I am 100% comfortable in saying I do not feel guilty one little bit having a Joyful feeling that Osama Bin Laden Was Captured and put to Death. It is news that is well received by me and My loved ones because I truly believe the man was Evil and did not live out God's will in any shape or form. The God, the Father, Jesus Christ or whatever God people believe in...I can't honestly accept that Bin Laden's actions over the years and horrible crimes of murder and total disregard to life would be the will of any God fearing Man or any God of Peace, Love, harmony or spiritual well being for man or Human kind.

Bin Laden and his followers the al Qaeda or what ever you want to call those hateful people lived a life of pure Evil. They left/Leave grief, heartache and death and destruction where ever they go. They plan for it. They Study for it. They train for it. They act on it. When successful...the Boast and celebrate it. That my friends is Evil and of No God I have ever heard of.

So to Hear the Leader of this pure Evil has been taken down by any means necessary saddens my heart to know such Evil Men and Evil things exist in our world. Knowing This Evil Leader has been Killed and removed from the face of the earth is celebrated by me personally because I believe in goodness in this world. I believe in helping those that need help. I believe in a good heart and uplifting your friends and neighbors. So because those are my moral and my beliefs...I feel no guilt in saying I am happy and I celebrate the removal of the enemy of all those good things good people spend a Life time striving for themselves and for their Families.

Thank you for letting me have my say.

Also thank You guys for keeping it respectful in this thread with some different views. Good Job so far.

[NewmanOwns]

Here Eric:

Romans 13:1-5

Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.and i think the New King James version puts it best, Romans 13:4:

4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword[or a m4] in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

[Enlightened27]

Im not opposed to his death. He deserved what he got. Its just always sad to see another soul in Hell.

[Haynie]

Funny to see us having this conversation here and comparing to the big issue now surrounding the Steelers' Rashard Mendenhall and his comments. Personally, I share Mendenhall's view on the celebration of death. I certainly don't fault people for feeling relief or even satisfaction at Bin Laden's death, but I do find the public displays distasteful. I don't picture Christ throwing a party in Heaven when the men who tortured and killed him, or those who conspired against him, met their deaths.

Not judging anyone else for their opinion, but just expressing my take on the matter.

[SmilesAustin]

^ That's why I say that there are just different belief systems out there and not everybody thinks alike. 99% of the time, I believe celebrating death is inappropriate... look how much we all hate the Westboro Baptist Church (the group that protests soldiers funerals).

At the same time, while I do have some compassion for any death, I do believe he got what he deserved. The same way he cheered for the thousands of lives he took on 9/11, I don't feel bad to see people cheering or feeling that justice has been done.

In the end, again, there are just lots of different religions and belief systems out there (and some don't choose religion at all), and I think the best reaction is to feel happy for the people who are celebrating it, even if your belief system leads you to not feel the same way. Just like those who are celebrating it shouldn't be chastising those who refuse to celebrate.

[CowboyzAdam]

Funny to see us having this conversation here and comparing to the big issue now surrounding the Steelers' Rashard Mendenhall and his comments. Personally, I share Mendenhall's view on the celebration of death. I certainly don't fault people for feeling relief or even satisfaction at Bin Laden's death, but I do find the public displays distasteful. I don't picture Christ throwing a party in Heaven when the men who tortured and killed him, or those who conspired against him, met their deaths.

Not judging anyone else for their opinion, but just expressing my take on the matter.

Wow Haynie...After reading that you left me with great pause. I will have to ponder that thought because I strive to be Christ like and i believe you are correct in what you said that I put in bold. therefore me celebrating the death of our Enemies is not right if I truly follow the word of the Lord. So I guess I should say to myself...Adam...You better check yourself pal. YIKES!

[Haynie]

I wasn't trying to make anyone change their views, but that's cool to hear Adam. It's good that we all have this comfort level and respect for one another to be able to have this kind of discussion. That's why this board is a truly special place.

[b_cadvantag]

Funny to see us having this conversation here and comparing to the big issue now surrounding the Steelers' Rashard Mendenhall and his comments. Personally, I share Mendenhall's view on the celebration of death. I certainly don't fault people for feeling relief or even satisfaction at Bin Laden's death, but I do find the public displays distasteful. I don't picture Christ throwing a party in Heaven when the men who tortured and killed him, or those who conspired against him, met their deaths.

Not judging anyone else for their opinion, but just expressing my take on the matter.

Wow!! The BEST post in this thread!! Great Post Haynie!!!

[Haynie]

Thanks B-Cad.

[Enlightened27]

Awesome post Haynie!